E50 - Police Cadets: Active Participants in their Community - Jeremiah Lewis

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a lot of , , cadets that's in our recruit class right now , , they

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understand, , everything that been

going on and what on the news.

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, with what's happening with different

police departments and agencies,

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and , the general consensus in the

class is that majority of people.

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, they want to be that change.

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They want to change

the culture of policing

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and we want to get rid of that stigma

of police doing the wrong things,

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or get rid of that stigma of the

police isn't there to help people and

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we're just there to arrest people.

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Hello, and welcome to A

Prisoner's Pardon with

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Microphone (2- AT2005USB):

Me, your host, Michi J.

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Michi: Today we have as a guest,

Jeremiah Lewis, and he is a police cadet.

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Yes, we even have police

cadets on the show.

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You know why?

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Because we need to hear from everybody.

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And I've met Jeremiah Lewis

at Partners in Hope, and he is

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very involved with that program.

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And he's actually been in dunk tanks

and a lot of community projects and

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work with a lot of ex prisoners.

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So today we're going to be

hearing from Jeremiah Lewis.

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Hey, Jeremiah, how you doing?

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I'm Good.

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How you doing, Michi?

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I am doing well.

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, tell us a little bit about Jeremiah.

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And why...

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a police officer.

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Why did you pick that career?

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It's always something I wanted

to do since I was younger.

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, I always wanted to be, I don't want to

sound kind of cliche, but I always wanted

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to be that, that change in the community.

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Like a lot of people, and nowadays

news, they look at police officers.

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In a bad light, but I want to try

to be that change, , for the people.

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, and also I'm like, I wanted to be

a great role model for my, , my

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three year old son, growing up too.

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Wow.

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Those are great.

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Aspirations it looks like police

officers are in demand because it's

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not a lot of people trying to be a

police officer because of the culture.

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Now, you're actually saying the opposite.

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, you're in class with

a lot of other cadets.

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Do they feel the same way as you do?

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Yeah.

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, a lot of our, a lot of our, , cadets

that's in our recruit class right

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now they do, they, , they feel,

they understand, , everything that

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been going on and what on the news.

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, with what's happening with different

police departments and agencies,

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and , the general consensus in the

class is that majority of people.

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, they want to be that change.

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They want to change the culture of

policing and we want to get rid of

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that stigma of police doing the wrong

things, or get rid of that stigma of

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the police isn't there to help people

and we're just there to arrest people.

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Do unconstitutional things, but

we're not where we actually want

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to be out there in the community.

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We want to understand some of

the problems that they're going

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through and try to help better solve

them and be there for the people.

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That's good to hear what cadets

are thinking and why they want to be

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police officers, because I thought

the numbers would be going down.

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Are you saying that it possibly

will at least your classes?

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Is it a full class or.

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When we first started off, we did, , we

did lose quite a few people, but that's

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mainly just because they didn't pass

some of the training or qualifications

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and passing certain tests that we have

because I'm like our academy class.

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We have a, we go through a very

extensive seven, almost seven

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months of training plus on the

field training once we graduate.

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So it was very in depth and we do lose

people on the way, but we also have

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another recruit class in house right

now and they're pretty much full.

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And they haven't lost anybody, but

we're probably gonna graduate close

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to around like 50, 60 people already.

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Wow.

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That's good.

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I'm happy to hear that because.

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Honestly, I was concerned about the

number of officers that we will have.

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So hearing that we got some full classes

and possibly don't have any problem

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recruiting is just maybe people being

able to, make the cut, so to speak.

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Correct.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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What is some of the community

training that you do?

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Is there a particular category of

training for that with the police academy?

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And we go through a lot of like

ethical training community orient

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orientated policing training go

through a lot of constitutional law.

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And I'm like, also, I'm like, even

during the academy to have us.

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Go out and help out with different

events like we're, we were there for

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Juneteenth event was there for fireworks.

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So we actually, they actually have

us out in a community a lot engaging

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with the people that we're eventually

going to be serving and helping.

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That's that's awesome and that's,

where I've been seeing you at and

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just being involved in so much.

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I didn't realize that, that's part of the

training to be, active in the community.

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Is that something expected ongoing

or is that just, for the training?

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Oh, no, that's definitely something

expected on going like they instill

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it in us before we even graduate that

once we get out to field training,

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which is with, we will be with a.

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More senior officer and there will

be showing us how to actually police,

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but when we're out there, we still

will be engaging with the community.

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We won't be just constantly

in our patrol car just.

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Looking at people through a window,

we will actually be walking by foot,

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engaging, talking with people in the

community, listening to if anyone has

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any concerns or problems and a deal

and dealing with them accordingly.

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I didn't know that.

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That's interesting.

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I wonder if anybody knew in my

audience is something to think about.

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That's a good.

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Positive thing to include with the

training is this, did it just start or

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has it always been part of training from

what I know and from what the instructors

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and other police officers and detectives

that I have talked to in the past.

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And currently they told me that it has

always been like this for the training.

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I'm like, they always have during the

academy, we have our they teach the

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con law and ethical policing and how to

police community orientated policing.

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And even when we go out there for field

training has always been the same with.

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They want us to actively engage and

talk with people in the community.

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So it always has been like this within

the past at most like eight, nine years.

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Okay.

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I just probably didn't know about it.

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I just don't remember seeing a lot

of cadets working in a community.

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A lot, but I do now, I see a lot and it's

good for you to mention this so people

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understand what type of training you have

to go through especially, community work,

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ethical training and stuff like that.

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Yeah, even our this upcoming weekend

too, we have like the academy, they

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host different open houses for people

in the community to actually come.

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And get a and see what our instructors are

actually teaching our newer recruit class.

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So this upcoming Saturday we actually

do have a open house that's open to the

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public and they can actually see and

hear what we actually been learning.

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Oh, , where is that located?

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That would be at 66 80

North Titania Avenue.

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At the we, I call it the

safety ca safety Academy.

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It's but also the Fire and Police

Commission is housed in there too.

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Okay.

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I'll make sure I note that okay.

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You know what time it starts or that time?

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I believe it starts at 8 a.

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m.

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between

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8 or 9.

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I'm not certain on that right now.

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Okay.

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So is that Academy over there?

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Is that the only Milwaukee

Academy over there on correct?

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That's the only Milwaukee Police

Academy that we have right now.

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Okay.

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I wasn't sure if it was another 1

and it's just supplies officers for

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all the districts here in Milwaukee.

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Correct police officers and

fire fire cadets and whatnot.

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They all go through that same building.

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Oh, okay.

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Interesting.

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Okay.

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And is it still the same requirements that

you got to live in the city of Milwaukee?

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Or has that changed?

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No, that, that has actually changed.

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I'm unsure on how long

ago they lifted that.

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But I know now it's, you have to

live within 15 miles of county line.

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So it's, yeah, so like for me I

was born and raised, I lived in

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the city for almost 20 years.

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But then I recently moved out and I'm

currently out in Waukesha right now,

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but at the county line for me, it

starts out in Moreland on Moreland road.

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And that will be, or 124th street,

my apologies, 124th street.

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And that would be where

my 15 miles start from.

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So it's the furthest, it's the furthest

point of wherever the county line,

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the Milwaukee county line goes to.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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Does this academy, so it's only for

Milwaukee police is it do Waukesha

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have their own and how does that work?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So Milwaukee, this is actually

only for Milwaukee police.

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But and our current recruit and

the other, the new recruit class

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that's in house right now, we call

them, I call them the freshmen.

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They're, they actually have.

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for West Milwaukee.

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Cadets in there though, too.

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So sometimes Milwaukee Police Academy,

they will take if they have enough

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openings, they will take three or four.

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Or up to five outside agencies

referrals, but that outside agency

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is actually paying the academy

to teach them the Milwaukee way.

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Oh, okay.

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The Milwaukee way.

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All right.

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All right.

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So tell us about your involvement with.

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Partners in Hope and partners

in hope for everyone.

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They have a community warehouse.

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They help the previously incarcerated and

they're located on, what is that, fourth

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in North Avenue, something like that.

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3, 2, 4 east North Avenue.

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So that's like third of North Avenue.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So they have A meeting there every

Wednesday evening, and I think they do

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have some on Friday mornings as well.

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Yeah, so this is where people that's

been previously incarcerated, they

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come and mentors, people in the

community, cadets police officers

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is it fire people there too?

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I'm not sure that I'm not that I'm unsure.

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I don't believe so, but it's mostly

from the police side is it'll be other

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recruits, cadets sergeants, lieutenants.

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And sometimes even detectives, right?

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Okay.

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I've seen those.

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Yeah.

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So it's a big group and, people

from all walks of life, family

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members of the incarcerated.

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We come together as a family and we do.

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Like round tables, and we,

they have 2 boxes where they

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talk about certain things.

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They have speakers, but it's a really

a great place for people to come and

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to get information and just join in

and just working in the community.

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How did you get started there?

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Jeremiah.

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I got started there by

actually Adam Purcell.

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Adam came to the police

academy and told us his story.

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And from the beginning, like when he

first started telling his story, I was

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just like, my eyes were like wide open.

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How did a person, how did a person

like, like this actually get out?

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But then once he more or less got

towards the end of the story, things

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started making a lot more sense to me.

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And from there, I wanted to know

more about partners and hope and

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what he was teaching or the type

of people that actually come there.

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So I'm like my first

visit, it wasn't by choice.

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It was our sergeant at the academy,

he made us, made everybody sign up for

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one day to go there and see how it is.

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And after that one day,

I really enjoyed it.

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I enjoyed listening to other

people's walks of life, pretty much

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like listening to people, like how

their day is going mainly because.

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One person's story and that during

that time can actually change

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another person's way of thinking.

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Like for me, I helped so many people

out just by listening to their stories

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and things that they were going

through and I never thought I would

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in a million years that I would be

able to just do the littlest things

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that it would change somebody's life.

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Entire perspective and

just me being there.

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I enjoyed it.

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And also I'm like, after hearing that

these people are the same people that

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I will be eventually seeing out in the

community, I wanted to be a part of that.

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I wanted to show them that.

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I'm different than the police encounters

that you may have had in the past.

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I want to be that police officer

that you can count on that will treat

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you fairly, treat you respectfully.

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Show you, show that get,

have, show you that you have

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dignity and let you be human.

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So yeah, I'm like I enjoy coming

back every single Wednesday and I

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even brought my family there too.

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They enjoyed it.

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Yeah.

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I met your , beautiful son and wife

and yeah, . That is good to, to

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hear what's the impact on cadets, I

hate to say it partners and hold it.

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It may not be for everyone,

but for a select few that

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were in the class it changed.

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It changed their entire perspective.

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They didn't think.

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They had a preconceived notion of the

way that it would be, like, they didn't

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want to go there they thought it was not

worth their time, but it really opened

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their eyes and they got a different

perspective because a lot of these, a

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lot, majority of the people that's in

our class isn't from the Milwaukee area.

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They're from more of the outskirts of

Milwaukee or lived in suburban areas.

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So they didn't, they don't have firsthand

experience of what some of the issues a

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lot of people are facing in Milwaukee.

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So I'm like, it really opened their eyes.

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And I'm like, that's why

I was able to get a few.

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Other cadets or whatnot to actually come

back with me almost every week or every

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other week or every couple of weeks or

so, and I will be coming back again this

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Wednesday with another couple of recruits.

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I see you've been recruiting

them, bringing them in and stuff.

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Yeah.

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You very active there.

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And that's a joy to see.

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And it's, I enjoy meeting.

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The different recruits and just

seeing them and getting to know

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them, because it'll be awesome

to see you out in the community.

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Hey, how are you doing?

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And I think.

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When the community see us

interacting, they will see you as.

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A person as well, so I'm I believe that,

the previously incarcerated there, they

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have a different impression to just you

have they I'm hearing stories from them.

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It was like, I never.

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Cared about police before, and they,

if there's something that's happening,

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their concern is that my friend

is something going on with them.

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And that's a beautiful thing when people

start caring about other people like that.

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Yeah.

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It's all about, I, it's about

building a positive relationship

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with people that you would think is

totally opposite than you, but at

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the end of the day, we're, All human.

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I'm like, we all go through things.

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We all have tough times.

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We all have good times, but with

partners at home, I'm like, if we can

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all just sit down and where no one looks

at each other oh, okay, that's a cop.

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Oh, that's a fella.

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And I don't want to sit by him.

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I don't want to talk to him.

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But in other words, we sitting down and

we actually having meals with each other.

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We actually engaging and talking and.

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I'm like, it's just a,

it's a great moment.

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I'm like every Wednesday is a

great moment, a great time and

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getting to know another person

and building another relationship.

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That's true.

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Cause you know, I've, accumulated

some great relationships there.

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And I definitely encourage people to come

, I know they have A lot of resource people

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coming through and does that give you like

resource information that if you happen to

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be talking to somebody in a community, you

being there you become pretty informed.

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About resources.

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Yes, most definitely.

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Like I, I have a, they gave me a wealth of

knowledge of like different resources and

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different advocacies that I can tap into

if I ever run into certain situations.

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When I'm out there policing, instead

of always going to the, what people

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would think like, all right that person

is just going to get arrested or that

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person it's just going and badly.

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No, I'm like, we were trying to push.

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Helping that person more and giving

them the resources that they're in need.

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And there is a lot of resources out

there that I'm like, even I personally,

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I'm like, I may not know, but I will

do my due diligence and trying to find.

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And try to help that person 110

percent every single time I have an

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encounter with anybody that I talk to

or deal with in my police capacity.

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Yeah that's great because, I know I've

added a lot of resources just by being

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near and hearing the information.

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I was like, oh, I didn't know about that,

so now it's oh, I didn't really let me,

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let me write this down or you can, if we

don't know, we can ask somebody there.

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So I really like that because we

build relationships, we build up our

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toolbox of, I would say resources

and cause we don't know who to talk

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to and to get them information.

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And that's I think that's awesome.

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What's going on there.

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So you talked about you being a police

officer while you became one partners

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and hope how you came to be there

and how you just invited everyone.

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I am too . I'm always inviting somebody.

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Now This last event that they

had was called leap of faith.

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Now you were one of the jumpers,

like how did they get you to do this?

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Leave with faith.

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I'm like, honestly, I'm like, it's

something that I always wanted to do.

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I always, for some reason, I always

wanted to jump out of airplanes.

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I don't know.

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It was like, I wanted to

conquer this fear of heights.

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And I was able to do that with an

amazing group of people from half

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officers and half past cons or,

And, but it's like, when we're up

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there or when we're going through

this, I'm like, we're all the same.

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I'm like, everybody is,

everybody, majority of other

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people, we're all scared.

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But we're, and then when we jump

out of that plane, it's like all

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our worries just just went away.

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It was like, at that moment, it was

like, it just feels you're just just

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gliding and just floating in the air,

and it's it just feels so effortless.

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Nothing, you like, you have nothing, no

care in the world at all at that moment.

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And it's just like looking

out towards the horizon.

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I'm like, and then looking down towards

the ground, it's just I can't believe

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I'm doing this and it just feels amazing.

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And I'm like everybody is the same.

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Everybody's doing this

for their own reason.

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And also I'm like doing

this together as a group.

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And we're all, we all feel

as one when we up there.

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And so it was just such an amazing time.

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And even before we, we jumped out of that

airplane, we all had great talks and great

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conversations, even down on the ground,

everybody socializing, playing games,

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getting to know each other's families.

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And it was just, it was a really

awesome and amazing event.

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That I wish a lot more people

would have known about that.

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But I'm like, we had, we still had

a amazing turnout and it turned

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out to be such a great time.

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Oh, yeah, it's I know they're doing

a documentary so people can, actually

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look like they were there too.

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So to see what all went on it, I think

yeah, I think it was an amazing event.

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I remember seeing you, you

didn't look too good before.

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Oh, no, I was super nervous and

super scared and going up here.

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You Like I said, I'm like, once we're

outside of that plane, and once you,

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I'm like, once you just fall, you

don't get that feeling of your stomach

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coming up, like from a rollercoaster or

anything, it's just, it just feels...

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I don't like effortless.

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There's nothing, I'm like,

you just gliding and floating

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in the air really fast.

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. So when you jumped out, were you

going down was it, were you floating

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already or was you going fast now?

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Dude, it like, you speeding?

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It was going, yeah, it

was going fast down.

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Like I had my arms out like a,

I wanna say like an airplane.

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. I want to say it was probably going

well over a hundred, probably close

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to a hundred miles an hour or so.

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And it was a lot of wind, but the thing

is, it's like you, I didn't have no,

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no gut wrenching feeling or anything.

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It was like everything,

it just felt so free.

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Like it felt really good.

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And just being up there.

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I'm like, I didn't worry, not one bit.

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Also, I had the main guy that jumped

like 18, 000 times on my back too.

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So I'm like, I feel really confident

with that, with him doing it.

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So I didn't get a chance

to, how did you land though?

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How was, what was that about?

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Oh, the landing, we landed in our butts.

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Yeah, I didn't want to, I didn't, we

didn't want to risk trying to do the

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walking or trying to stand up or anything.

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So we just slid in.

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So that was actually, we

came in like relatively calm.

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Like it wasn't like anything I expected.

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I thought it was going to be a

little bit more rougher landing

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or something like that, but it

wasn't, it was like, you just.

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I don't know, like you sliding into

home plate or home base or whatnot on

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a baseball field and that's about it.

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Okay, so do we describe you as pre jump?

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You're like, you are one person

then once after you jump, you're

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a whole another different person.

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Oh, hands down a whole

totally different person.

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Like I'm jumping again.

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Like I, after I got done doing

that jump, I actually went.

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I actually went back into the

office and I bought a second, I

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bought the second jump for half off.

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So I'm jumping again, September 30th

because of me doing that, that first jump.

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I get changed.

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It totally changed everything.

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It changed everything.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So I know at least we're not going to name

names, but I know at least one person.

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Didn't do it.

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They were scheduled and then they said no.

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Yeah, I think there was more of I think it

was probably transportation or something.

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Oh, that was a that was an issue for

that individual Okay, so I mean they

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end up finding they end up finding

another person there to jump in his

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place though Okay I'm not throwing

no salt now because I wouldn't do it.

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Oh, it's not that bad.

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I feel like everybody should jump out

of airplane like at least one time.

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Like you could hear yourself.

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Could you it's the mental.

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It's the mental that gets a

lot of people like the whole

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thought process before you go up.

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There is a lot worse than

actually jumping out the airplane.

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Like hands down.

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Okay.

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So since you, Jeremiah, since

you jumped out of playing, do you

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feel like you could do anything?

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Like you could just, okay, no problem.

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I want to say, I want to say anything.

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Like I'm not going to go like wrestle

like a bear alligator or something,

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but it gives me a little bit more,

a little bit more confidence.

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And I do feel like I'm a I can't

do, I can't do anything but I don't

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know, it just changes me as a person.

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I have a different outlook on life

and I want to try to take that

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and try to mold that some way into

the way I go about doing my job

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as a police officer out there too.

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Wow.

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That's good.

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That is all great.

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I'm glad I got a chance to talk

to you about leap of faith because

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yeah, you didn't look too hot.

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You looked like you were going

to throw up or something.

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Yeah.

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I also, I'm like, it didn't help that I.

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I ate some food right before I

walked up there too, who does that?

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Yeah.

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Nobody else that jumped

ate before they jumped.

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I was the only one that

ate before they jumped.

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I'm glad everything turned out well.

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You didn't, toss it up.

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It all stayed in.

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It all stayed in.

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Good.

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Okay.

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This is a I'm glad I got

a chance to interview you.

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This is a short interview I want to do

and let people know about again, about

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Partners in Hope, about how police are.

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Training their new people,

especially in this Milwaukee area

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and how they are very community.

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Minded, so is there anything else

you want to say to the audience

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before we in this great talk with you

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pretty much just.

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Just keep a, just, I want to say, just

keep an open mind with new, with the newer

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police officers that are coming out there.

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I'm like, we all mean we all

want to do right by it, right

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by everybody in the community.

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And if you have any suggestions and us

doing something in a better way, feel

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free, let us know and we'll take that into

consideration and we'll try to, do better.

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But besides that, I'm hoping to be

a, be the best police officer I can.

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And that's about it.

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Thank you for being here.

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Mostly.

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I just want to thank you for

joining the police force.

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And as we really do cherish

you we thank you for doing.

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The service that you're going to

be doing for us, because it's very

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important and definitely going to

be praying for you and the family.

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Sorry, we want to stay safe.

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Thank you so much.

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And that's it for our interview today.

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Again, just thank you all for

listening and may you have a

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week filled with blessings.