E49 - Black Privilege Part 2 of 2 - Guest Pastor Roy Niedfeldt

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praise God for the black grandparents

and their parents and the generations

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of black people who've passed down

very specifically their faith in God.

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If white people have passed down

economics, Black people have passed down

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spirituality, and that's something to

be proud of, something to celebrate,

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and really gives them an advantage.

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Microphone (2- AT2005USB)-1: Hello

and welcome to part two of Black

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Privilege with Pastor Niefeld.

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Last week we had a great conversation.

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If you didn't hear that, please

stop, go back, listen to that

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first so you can follow along.

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It was a great show and you would have

missed too much to be able to follow

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along on what he's talking about now.

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Now, if you're ready,

let's jump into part two.

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Matter of fact, I just got off the

phone a few days ago with a young

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African American man who went to Harvard

University, which is one of America's

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obviously top universities at the age of

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Fascinated by his story.

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And I was like, man, can you

tell me how did you do that?

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Like you're a genius, you know,

like, how did you, how did you

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overcome not having a mom or dad?

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And he said, you know, everybody needs

to figure out a way to boost themselves.

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And he said, this is going to sound crazy.

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But I, I talked to myself

and I lied to myself.

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And I don't, I don't personally

think that was the right term

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because I don't think he was lying.

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But he said, every day, I would tell

myself, you're important, you're

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incredible, you're, you're, you know,

you're super special, you know, hold

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your head up, or I don't, and those

probably weren't his exact words,

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but something along those lines.

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So.

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He said every day I would tell myself

these things and he said I told

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myself I was super important and

he said until I believed it and all

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of us and he said it wasn't true.

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And now it is true.

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I'm one of the youngest

people to go to Harvard.

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I graduated.

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I own, I think he owns like 25 businesses.

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It's insane.

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He's God, I mean, the guy's

just very economically sound.

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He's very well known, um, within his,

uh, friend groups and wherever he goes.

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And I'm just like, wow, this,

this is what most people would

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consider a massive success.

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Now, I will say, um, he's, he was missing

a little bit on the spirituality part.

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We talked a lot about that and, um,

he's definitely had some, and I'm

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hoping that He'll encounter Jesus and,

and have that relationship with him

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because that's the most important part.

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But it was just interesting that the way

he didn't get involved with bad things.

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I said, how did you avoid

all the negative influences?

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Um, how did you avoid all the

temptations to be like, life is hard.

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Let me just...

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You know, smoke this or pop this pill

or start to get involved in this group

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because who cares who cares in the moment?

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Life is too stressful.

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I just need an immediate gratification

Of acceptance or a good feeling or

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whatever And he said no every day.

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I told myself i'm too important for that.

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I'm too Special and he said I had

to tell myself because I just didn't

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have anyone there to tell me and

I, I believe Jesus is the best.

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He's the one who, who,

who should give us that.

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He died in our place.

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He paid for our sins.

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I mean, you can't have greater love

than giving up your life for someone.

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And what matters when somebody

gives up their life for you is

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how important was that person.

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And he's the son of God.

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And so for the son of God to

value us, to lay down his life.

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That should be the greatest

morale boost to any human being

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ever to say, I matter this much.

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You know, I matter to somebody of this

importance, but I think that's huge.

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And I, my heart breaks because, you know,

I do see a lot of African American kids

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running around and they just, you know,

they won't maybe verbalize it like this.

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But the, the.

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The thought is, I'm no good, man.

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I'm just, I'm going to

die by the time I'm 25.

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I've had a few just tell me that,

you know, Pastor, I ain't going,

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I ain't going to make it past 25.

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And I said, why would you say that?

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You know, well, you know how it is.

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You know how these streets are.

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All my friends are dead.

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You know, I lose three friends a year or,

you know, I'm probably going to get shot

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or I'm going to, I'm going to die in a car

accident or I'm going to die of something.

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You know, we don't make it long.

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That just shouldn't be the

narrative that we believe.

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A lot of it is, is simple if we

believe it, we start to walk in those

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directions, and then when somebody

presents an opportunity to us to say you

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could be better, nah, I can't do that.

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And when somebody presents an opportunity

to us that, that goes in line with

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our beliefs, well, of course we can

do it because we believe we can.

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People aren't going to approach

something that they don't believe.

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And so I believe God just wants everybody.

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I believe he loves everyone everywhere.

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There's no one outside

of the scope of his love.

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And he wants African American

young people and old people who are

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waking up and are saying, I don't

know, like I got to overcome more.

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I got to face more difficulties.

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And, and I would just say shame

on the people who don't think they

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have to face more difficulties.

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And again, now this is, this is not

specific to Every single black person.

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I hate that we speak in monologues or

monolithic terms, but everyone's the same.

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Like, I don't think Janice's

kids are waking up this morning

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going, man, I got to overcome.

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I have economic hardship, you

know, schools hard for me.

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Kids don't like me.

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I think his kids are waking up going,

Oh my gosh, every kid at school

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loves me and wants to meet my dad

and thinks I'm the best stuff ever.

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And there's, there's a lot of African

American people who are not suffering.

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And we have to recognize that too.

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They've, they've made it out.

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But a lot of times through a lot of hard

work, but to the kids who are growing up

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in the hood, the kids who are growing up,

like, One young man who walked up to me

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and he said, Pastor, my auntie got stabbed

to death last night 30 some times and I

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just put my head down and almost started

crying, and he's like, Oh, no, I'm good.

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And I kind of looked at him like, I

mean, Sure, like you shouldn't be.

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And he said, nah, bro,

you don't understand.

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He said, every year maybe I lose two.

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One or two, he said, my first

relative that was killed when I

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was like, I don't remember, three,

four or five that I remember, he

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said, I couldn't sleep for days.

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I just, it bothered me for a long time.

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He said, y'all, y'all don't understand.

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Basically saying white people,

y'all don't understand this.

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He said, this is my life, bro.

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I'm used to this.

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He's like, no big deal.

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And I just kind of, I was just sad

and I remember looking at him just

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being like, well, it should matter.

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And I understand what you're saying.

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Like, I hear you not saying I understand.

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Like, I've been through it,

but I'm like, I hear you.

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And I'm sorry, bro.

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Like, I'm just sorry you, you go

through this and I'm praying for you.

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And I'm sorry that this is your normal.

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And my hope is that people like

him would, would start to look and

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say, Okay, I have a harder life.

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I've grown up in the hood.

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I, I deal with shootings.

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I deal with homicides.

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I deal with overdoses.

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I deal with, um, parents and people around

me in my neighborhood who, who, who fight

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more often, who, who have harder things.

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A lot of it stems from economics.

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If you, at least that's my opinion.

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If you go back and you look at the

results of slavery and the results

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of oppression, a lot of it pushed

on economically and economically

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led to a lot of the other problems.

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Okay.

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That, that came up, and, and that's

my opinion, and again, I'm open

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to being changed on that, but

that's my, my thoughts on that.

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But I'm hoping that that young man

can wake up and say, you know what?

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God loves me, and we have

something to be proud of.

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Yeah, my auntie died.

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Yeah, I'm going through hardship, but

I have something that others don't,

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like our society believes in the Lord,

and we have churches everywhere, and I

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can plug into that, and I can be proud

of that, and I can spread that, and.

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Another thing that I felt God tell me

at one point was that the Black society

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in America as a whole, again, not

saying every individual, is more open

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to Him moving and more open to revival.

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They're, they're closer, if, if, if I

could use the words, they're, they're like

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a more ripe piece of fruit for God to use.

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And I really saw that God could

come down on Milwaukee and on a lot

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of places, really every place, on

inner city Black America, and He

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could just blow it up with this.

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awesome move of his Holy Spirit and

he could cause it to become elevated.

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And I think that's, I mean, you can tell

me what you think, but I think a lot

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of black people want to be elevated.

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I think that's the number one desire

I hear is we want to be on top.

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We want, we want the opportunities.

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We want the privilege.

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We want the status that we've

seen the white community have.

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And primarily they're talking

economically, and I believe God could come

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down, though, more easily in the Black

community, fill them with his spirit,

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and do great things, so much so that it

would be an honor for white people to

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be allowed and to be able to move into

the Black society, where people go, this

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society is happier, this society is full

of more joy, this society is doing better

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as a whole, like, what do they have?

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We want it.

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And they could become jealous of Black

society, and I think God would, would

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be, I know God would love to do that.

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He loves to take those things which are

left and to put them first and black

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people have been pushed down, you know,

to what extent people will argue forever

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and what's the exact solutions out people

argue, but I believe God wants to do it.

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I believe God wants to

exalt them and with that.

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comes economic success.

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With that comes morals and,

and the overcoming of the, the

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degradation and the looking down on.

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With that becomes a booster

of all the other things.

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You know, there's a wonderful Bible

verse that pastors quote all the time.

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It's Matthew 6, 33, and it says,

seek first the kingdom of God.

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And all these things

will be added to as well.

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And I believe that's exactly

what God's trying to do.

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He's not saying, hey, black society

who's suffering, seek economic success.

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And that's what I see a lot of them doing,

saying, we want black entrepreneurs.

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Now, we don't want to stop wanting

black entrepreneurs, right?

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That's a good thing.

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But they're saying, we

want black entrepreneurs.

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We want black owned businesses.

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We want black owned, um,

this, that, and the other.

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And those are all positive things.

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We shouldn't stop that.

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The Bible doesn't say

not to seek those things.

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It just says, seek first

the kingdom of God.

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Amen.

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And I think as black people hone in on

that and say, God is going to be first,

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we're going to make God the God of our

society, and we're going to seek him as

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a whole, I believe God will exalt African

American people and use them as a light

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to draw the white people who are really

on a downward hill in America, as far as

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religion goes, to draw them back to God.

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And in a sense, uh, black

people will be first, they'll

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be the ones who go for it first.

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That is, that's what they're ripe for.

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That's what they're close to.

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And I hope black society goes for that.

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I definitely agree with everything

you're saying, and I do, um, feel

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like there is a revival going on.

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I hate to say it out loud, but

it does feel like it is happening

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here in Milwaukee and right here.

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In Milwaukee, I believe , it's going to

be a start of something very great, but

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God is God is moving here, um, very much.

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And that's why I'm here.

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, doing what I do with this

program here and, , some other,

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, things that I'm working on.

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So I like what you said about

the, , how is it, what's the heart

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of the issue is that a lot of.

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People in our, my community, myself

included when I was growing up

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and I still battle those things.

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And I'm pretty sure the gentleman

that you talked to, he still battles

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it somewhere in his conscience.

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When you, um, when you're in certain

societies or certain pieces, you

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know, that, that past may rear

itself up sometimes, but you do

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have to, uh, talk to yourself in

the way he said, I agree with you.

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It's not lying.

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And it's like, when you

know, God, he, he is.

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My commander in chief, and if he

died for me, I am of some value.

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So if people don't

understand that, and that's.

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Actually, what's going on in the book?

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I wrote a prisoner's part and

I talk about it a little bit.

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Um, how you feel when you don't think

you're going to make it to the next day.

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It's not a, it's all about survival.

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And when you're thinking about

survival, you're not trying to.

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Learn a book or trying

to do math or something.

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It's more about do I

make it to the next day?

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What's the point of doing

something like that?

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And you may not even live to that point.

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So it's like a very hopeless situation.

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And, um, a lot of times when

you venture out, it feels like

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you're Christopher Columbus.

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I don't know how to describe it.

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If you feel like I felt like I was

Christopher Columbus, that I was going

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to, um, fall off the edge of the world.

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When I left my neighborhood, or when I

started doing new things, it's always so

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scary in that you don't have the parents

and stuff that will encourage you even

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when you get into those and when you

start being successful, you know, you

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can have family members that still want.

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Push you and encourage you.

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So this is what I see that's going on

in our community that people don't value

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themselves to think that they can do that.

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They're scared to even voice their dreams.

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They won't even want to say I'm out loud.

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Well, it's not it's not even popular

because I've heard kids speak up, you

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know, you can't be on the basketball

courts and our community where I

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live on and probably in most black

communities in the inner city and say,

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hey, you know, I'm going to college.

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Who's, who's going to be like, Oh

man, you the stuff, you know, if

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you say, Hey bro, I'm shooting, I'm

shooting a rap video later today.

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Um, and nothing, there's

nothing wrong with rap videos.

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Let me say that.

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I'm just saying that many, many

of them are filled with garbage.

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Okay.

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But not all of them.

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Right.

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And rap is a neutral platform.

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It can be good or bad.

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Let me just be clear on that.

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So if you say, Hey, I'm shooting

a rap video later today.

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Yeah, that's valued.

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Hey, uh, you know, I'm

gonna, I got the new Jordans.

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Okay, that's valued.

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Or I'm gonna, you know, whoop you in

basketball, you know, that's valued.

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But a lot of things that

should be valued aren't valued.

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And I don't think my thoughts on

that are a lot of people who speak

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down on that are actually hurting.

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You know, they're like, Oh,

you know, that would be good

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for that kid to go to college.

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But I tried to make it, and I didn't, or

I didn't even dream of that because it

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was too difficult for me to dream of that.

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And, um, I think, I think there's just a

lot of pushback, and I can only imagine,

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and this is something that you've...

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Based, as you just said, how scary it

would be to kind of like launch out

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and be like, I'm going to leave the

hood and I'm going to go to college and

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you may be doing it with no support.

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You may not be doing it with any

financial backing from parents.

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You may feel like, well, what if, what

if I go to a college, like one of the

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kids from our neighborhood did, and we

strongly, strongly tried to back him and

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encourage him with everything we could.

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And he got there and he's like,

I'm literally like one of two

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black people in my college.

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You know, he went to a small town

college, Northern Wisconsin, and

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he was just like, I'm, I'm scared.

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I feel out of place.

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I feel odd.

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And, um, you know, the only thing I

can relate to that is the first time I

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walked into like an all black church.

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I remember people just looked at

me weird, not in a judgmental way.

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Like, you know, you're bad.

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They're just, it's just

something different.

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It's not what you're expecting.

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You know, if you walk into an all

girls meeting and all guys meeting

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and you're the opposite sex or.

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You walk into a, you know, a daycare

and you're an old guy, people

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look at you like you're different.

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You know, not you're bad,

just you're different.

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And so I can only imagine just that those

looks as well as the people who will look

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at an African American and think negative

thoughts have got to be intimidating.

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It's got to be super intimidating.

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It's very intimidating.

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Yeah.

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It takes a lot.

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And God bless you that you, that you've

done it and that you can speak to that.

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Yeah.

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And it's, and, um, yes, it's.

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And not just that, it's like

the language is different.

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So I had to overcome like a, a language

difference on, you know, the testing

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at times they say, you know, stuff

different in my community versus there.

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And we may know what it is, but we don't

have the, the, the word, the scientific

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word for it or how you may say it.

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And so that being the case, a lot of black

people are perceived as being ignorant.

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When it's not the case, and it's just,

they don't know the particular word

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that's said in that, , science or

in that class or something, you have

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to break it to them down differently

and that's, , a big obstacle as

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well that people don't understand.

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I don't believe that

bars should be lowered.

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I just think it should be explained

differently so that, , when Jesus was at.

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The well, and he was talking to the woman

at the well, he spoke in , her language.

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He, that she would understand.

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And that's where I think that,

um, we need to overcome those

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sorts of things, those obstacles.

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And that's why , we're getting lost

in the communication, I believe.

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Yeah.

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Well, and like I said earlier, and I

referenced it briefly, I was praying

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a different time, just, um, I don't

remember exactly how, but I saw, like,

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literally in a, I guess I'll call it

a vision, like a great light coming

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over the inner city of Milwaukee, and

I believe God could send it in every

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inner city, and that was the implication.

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I just, in my mind, I just

saw it coming over Milwaukee.

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I believe God needs to fill black

society to make it as a whole a healthy

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place without having to leave it.

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You know, like, right now, a lot

of people have to leave inner city

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culture to, to, Get out of it.

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There, there is a lot of toxic

things that have come in and, and

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it's sad, you know, there's eight

homicides on my block last year, you

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know, there's, uh, single parenting.

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The government has, in my opinion, made

some terrible laws that have made it

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better, um, uh, African American families

to have a single parent than have two.

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Now, that's not hating on single parents.

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I love single parents.

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We support them, but it is always

better to have two incomes.

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It's always better to have two supporters.

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Thank you.

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It's healthier for children to have

a father and a mother in the house.

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And so if possible, um, you know,

if, if their relationship stays

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healthy, parents should pursue that.

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And that's what Christians believe.

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And that's fully what I subscribe to.

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And again, that's not a,

that's not a putting down.

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That's not saying there's

not wonderful single mothers.

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They just have to work

harder to be a success.

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And there's, there's many,

many successful ones.

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Um, But what I think is God

wants to actually transform the

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society itself and to do that

economically would Be very difficult.

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It would it would be very difficult.

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If you just said we're just going

to do it just economically It could

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take a long time but Think of what

would happen if, if a revival started.

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Like Azusa Street, well, one of the

most famous revivals in American

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history was started by a black

preacher named, William Seymour.

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And, uh, one eyed guy, he lost an

eye through something, I'm not sure.

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Think of what would happen,

because in that revival, I'll

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tell you, it was only in one city.

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Thousands and hundreds of thousands

of people streamed into that city

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and were touched by God and in

in some of these revivals third

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American history that we know about.

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I don't know about that one in particular.

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The crime rate goes to almost zero.

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You know, the police force in one city

I was reading about actually disbanded

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because they had nothing to do.

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And what a desirable community to live in

where the police are disbanded because in

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one and another community, I was reading

about a great revival in American history.

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They said the police.

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Turned into a church choir

because they had nothing to do.

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They said they presented the judge of

the city with white gloves because he

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had no more cases to rule on because

people's hearts were filled with joy.

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And at the root cause of it, a

lot of black people are unhappy.

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And if you're unhappy, you don't

have a positive motivation.

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You know what, why do people pop pills?

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Why do people smoke?

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Why do people do anything

that we do as people?

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Why do we go to work to get

money so we can be what?

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Happy or because it will be unhappy

if we can't pay our bills, if we can't

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live in our house, if we can't drive

our car, why do we, why do we even do

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something as simple as brushing our teeth?

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Because if you don't, you'll get cavities

and you'll be unhappy at the cost.

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You're unhappy at the pain.

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Why do we eat food?

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It makes us happy.

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It's, it's everything we do at our root

cause is to make ourselves happier.

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It's to produce a more positive feeling.

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And I think.

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Um, what God was telling me that day

when I wrote this article is you have

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to realize there's a lot of pain and

pain is unhappiness and wherever there's

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a lot of pain, there's going to be a

lot of, um, a lot more temptation to

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act badly because of the pain that's

been inflicted and the pain that's come

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in and then pain leads to more pain,

you know, hurt people hurt people.

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And I think that's as simple as it is.

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So what yeah.

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God can do is he can come in and he can

heal somebody who's incredibly hurting.

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He can take a kid who's, you

know, 16, 17 years old, who's

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had 17 family members murdered.

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He can take a kid whose mom, whose, whose

mom, uh, crumbled under the weight and the

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pressure of her life and became a crack

addict or, you know, became a prostitute

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or just gave up on him, you know, gave him

to his grandmother or whatever, you know,

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just, just some of these common scenarios

that unfortunately play out, uh, much

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more heavily within the black communities.

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And God can come in and heal

all of that in a moment.

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He can do what psychologists

and humans can't do.

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And as people walk with them,

he can fill them with joy.

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And as you're filled

with joy, you act better.

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When you're happy, you, you

love, you know, when you're, when

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you're full of joy, you can be

kind to the person next to you.

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And I think the greatest thing that

we can do is continue to work on

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economics but to Take advantage.

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I think black people should take advantage

of the, the upper hand that they have,

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and they should run to the churches.

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They should talk to their grandmothers

and their uncles and their aunties and

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their parents or whoever's godly among

them, and they should pursue godliness.

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And as they pursue godliness, the

Bible says the fruit of the Holy

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Spirit is love, joy, and peace.

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And if you're full of

love, joy, and peace.

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Thank you very much.

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I want to live in a community like that,

you know, we moved to our community

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because it was hurting and we wanted

to make a difference, but how many

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white people would love to move into a

community where people just love each

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other or people care for each other?

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There's a saying in the black

community that I've never heard

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outside of the black community.

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Um, I'm sure it's out there,

but I've never heard it

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outside of the black community.

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It takes a village to raise a child.

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There is this togetherness

that's still there.

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It's not fully there, but it's

still there in the black community

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that is not, again, I've never

heard it in the white community.

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White people sit in their houses all day.

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They don't talk to their

neighbors that much.

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They do some, um, but they're not

There's this unique togetherness,

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and everyone, there's still a lot of

kids that I know who will call their

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neighbors aunties and grandmas, and

I'm like, oh, that's your auntie?

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And they're like, no,

that's not my auntie.

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I'm like, how'd you call your auntie?

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Well, I just do.

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And so there's still this togetherness,

and The more love, the more joy, the more

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peace that, that God pumps into the Black

community as they pursue him, the crime

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and all this stuff that people look down

on and that, that makes it an undesirable

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place to live is going to go away.

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They're going to become the

most desirable people to hire.

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When, when, when you're looking

for an employee, I ran a charity

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where we specifically tried to

pay people more to help ex felons.

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When you're looking for a good

employee, What you're looking for

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is, is this person going to steal?

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Are they going to work hard?

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Are they going to tell the truth?

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And God is the one who affects

those things more than anybody.

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If I see somebody who loves Jesus with

all their heart, I'm like, man, this

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person's never going to steal from me.

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This person's never going to lie to me.

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This person's going to

do this for the Lord.

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And so he makes us into the most desirable

employees and as you're a good employee

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as you're faithful in something Bosses

put you over more and as you're over more

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you become a boss and you begin to rule

The problem is is when you when you have

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a group of people you're trying to hire

who's everybody's hurt Everybody's sad.

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Everybody's suspicious.

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Everybody's I don't know who's

you and and here's a phrase I've

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heard a lot in the black community.

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It's a negative phrase.

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I'm gonna get my own Meaning, I'm

looking out for myself and nobody else.

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And when we feel like

that, we squash each other.

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I'm going to step on you to

get to where I need to go.

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And I don't care who's hurt along the way.

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I, that ain't my family, that ain't

my friend, that ain't my person.

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, the first homicide I was actually

ever a witness to on my city block,

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I stood out there the whole night

just watching the whole, thing.

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I sat up there for four hours,

five hours, whatever it was

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until the medical examiner came.

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It was a 22 year old, 22 or 23

year old young African American

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man who was shot by another person.

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Just a simple argument.

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And I just stood there and I was just

like, wow, this is, this was new for me.

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This is like, whoa, like I

couldn't sleep well that night.

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Like it just really shook me.

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And, , A lot of people were just like,

oh yeah, just another N word that died.

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That's what a lot of the

black people were saying.

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And I was just like, wow.

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Like is that, how, is that how the

community feels because they're

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so used to this or whatever.

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And I walked up to one group of, of young

people that I know who I play a lot of

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basketball with and, and talked to and

I was like, Hey bro, like he's dead.

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And there, the comment from one

of them was, that ain't my N word.

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And just saying that ain't,

that ain't my friend.

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That ain't my friend.

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What do I care?

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And that.

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It's an attitude that comes from pain.

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It comes from hurt.

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It comes from, hey, if I do

care, it's going to hurt.

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But if we care with the love

of God, it doesn't hurt.

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The love of God has something unique in it

that we can care for painful situations.

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We can make ourselves involved

in a way with his love.

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And it actually feels good to help.

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It feels good to care.

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What that young lady was saying to

me was, I don't care, uh, because

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I don't know them and I'm just

going to close my, my emotion off.

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I'm going to close my compassion off

because that's how I'm going to handle

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this situation and stay healthy.

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And that's, that's the

opposite of what we want to do.

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And I feel with the help of God, we could.

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I literally see white people and

suburb people, whether white, black,

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or Spanish, streaming into the black

community going, what did they find?

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How did they do this?

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How did they go from being looked down on?

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How did they go from being worse

economics to people who move

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there, say their neighbors are

the nicest people in America?

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: 00:26:42

You know, instead of saying Southern

people have that Southern hospitality

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or, you know, the East Coast is bad

or the Midwestern is, they're a little

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nicer or whatever we say, you know,

some of the common phrases I've heard.

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What about, man, have you been

to the inner city where, where

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it's mostly Black people?

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Man, I, I've been trying to buy a house

there because the people there are so

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kind and the people work so hard and they

look out for each other and holy cow.

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And I think that's what a lot of Black

politicians have began to try to focus on,

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but they don't give the right motivation.

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They want to do it without the Lord.

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They want to do it without Jesus.

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They want to say, we

got to stick together.

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We got to raise up our communities.

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We have to, these are things I

hear among black politicians when

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I talk to them and influencers.

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And, you know, we have to, uh, you

know, uh, it takes the neighborhood

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to raise a kid, but people are too

hurt and they're too suspicious.

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Well, I would, but my

neighbor ain't doing that.

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But if we start with Jesus, who says, you

know, love your enemies that way, if your

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neighbor isn't doing it, your neighbor's

a jerk, your neighbor's a thief, your

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neighbor's, you know, harassing you.

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You still love them.

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Anyways, I believe in a flash,

the spirit of God could come down.

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People say, well, how would that happen?

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That would take forever.

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No, look at revivals.

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Look what God did at Azusa Street.

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God can come down so heavily over

neighborhoods, over cities, that

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in days, just a mere matter of

days, people's hearts are changed

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and they no longer desire to do

evil, but to love one another.

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And I believe Black society, Black

inner city America is more ripe

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for that than any other group.

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: 00:28:08

Well, we're almost done here.

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: 00:28:09

The time just went super, super fast.

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I am so excited.

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Actually, what God is doing in the

black community here in Milwaukee.

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I do come into agreement with you

that God is doing something here.

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: 00:28:24

And I thank you so much for coming

on the show and everything you said

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: 00:28:30

kind of boils down to this will

lower the recidivism rate of so many

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people going to jail is They, most of

them feel like there's no other way.

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: 00:28:43

So I thank you again.

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: 00:28:46

Is there anything else?

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: 00:28:47

, before we wrap this up, I really enjoy

you coming on here to talk about , this

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very, sensitive subject and seeing the

actual problems and willing to move in

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being in the neighborhood to actually know

what's going on, to help with a solution.

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: 00:29:04

. Thank you so much for that.

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: 00:29:05

I'm I'll just summarize up.

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My last statement of this is that

people want to make a difference.

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: 00:29:11

You have to talk about important

subjects and if you talk about

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something that's important, that means

people are going to have feelings.

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: 00:29:17

You're going to cause offense.

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: 00:29:19

So we can't shy away from offense.

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: 00:29:21

We have to be open to change.

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: 00:29:24

We have to listen.

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: 00:29:25

Sometimes the people disagree with us.

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: 00:29:27

But I think these subjects

need to be talked about.

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: 00:29:30

So to all the listeners, I think these

are conversations you need to have.

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: 00:29:33

Conversations with your family.

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Conversations with your friends.

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: 00:29:37

Conversations with your family.

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: 00:29:38

Dear church members, um, my hope is

that we all together are pursuing

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: 00:29:43

godliness, and that black people

can see they have an advantage.

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: 00:29:47

And that they use that advantage

to pursue, and push farther into

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: 00:29:51

it, and with it will come all the

economics and all the morale boost.

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: 00:29:56

And, um, God will do something

that actually will put them on top.

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: 00:29:59

I thank you so much for

coming on our program today.

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Thank you for having me.

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Oh, it was wonderful.

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: 00:30:05

We need to hear this.

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: 00:30:06

These are the conversations

we need to be having again.

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: 00:30:10

There's a lot going on here

in Milwaukee, especially in a

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: 00:30:14

black community and watch out.

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: 00:30:16

You will see us soon.

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That's the end of my show, everyone, and

may you have a week filled with blessings.