E69 - Freshly Out: Adapting to Freedom with Guest Jarvis Green

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Today.

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We have a special guest.

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Yes.

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We always have a special guest,

but I'm pretty sure you're going

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to love to hear from this guest.

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His name is Jarvis Green and he's

just come home and he is out of

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Illinois and he is my cousin.

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So hi cuz.

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Hey cuz good to see you.

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Yeah, it is so good.

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He is He is freshly out how long

have you been out gyrus Oh, it'll

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be a month on Thursday, a month on

Thursday, and that went by fast, right?

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I know it was like, wow, he, he

contacted me and he's been out.

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I'm like, Oh, this is so awesome.

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I got to get you on the show to, uh,

introduce you to everyone because I want

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everyone to, , get the experience of

what it means to freshly come out and

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this is what we're going

to be talking about today.

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The challenges when someone.

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Comes out of prison, , what are

they thinking about mentally?

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What are they thinking about emotionally?

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So Jarvis is, has been so kind to come

on to explain and just to be transparent

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about what, what it is to me to come home.

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So Jarvis, uh, why don't you tell

us a little bit more about yourself

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so the audience gets to know you.

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Um, I'm 41 years old from Chicago.

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I grew up on the west side.

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Um, I've been through a lot, you know,

I've seen a lot of stuff in the streets,

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you know, um, growing up in Chicago and,

you know, I started my life of crime,

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you could say pretty much early in life

and, um, it's like a snowball effect, you

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know, just kept kept continuing to go.

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But, you know, I'm involved in Um, yeah.

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And I'm older, more mature, and

I'm just trying to, , make sure I

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stay on the right path this time.

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Oh, wow.

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I'm so proud of you for this.

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So how long were you in this last time?

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This last time, I just did five years.

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Okay.

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And how much time, how much

time have you done all together?

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I'll say all together, I've

probably done 18 years in jail.

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Okay.

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So tell us what, you know,

a month ago, what happened?

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Like, why'd you, let's just start when

you was walking out the prison, you know,

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you're getting out those doors and stuff.

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What was that feeling?

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It was surreal.

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It's like, it's almost like a dream,

like a movie, you know, I'm going

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to wake up and still be in there.

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Oh, wow.

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Okay.

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That's how it felt for me.

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Did you sleep that night

before or what happened?

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What did you stay up all night or?

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No, I actually went to sleep probably

about 11 o'clock, but I woke up, um,

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about three, three in the morning and

couldn't go back to sleep after that.

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Okay.

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So you had all your stuff packed up and

you sitting there and waiting like, uh,

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I hope they not changing their mind.

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I don't want to hear nothing.

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Yeah.

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That's what's going through your mind.

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Is this a mistake or what?

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Oh, wow.

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Okay.

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So how do you.

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Yeah, how so tell us just walk us through

it a little bit to give us like, you

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know, Uh, how was it who picked you up?

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How did you get home?

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Uh, when you first saw the

outside, what did you see first?

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Did you go to mcdonald's or something?

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I don't know.

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Did you go through the drive

thru and eat something?

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What was it?

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Uh when I got out, um, I

seen my brother in law.

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He came in He helped me carry my

box out and um, you know First thing

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I noticed was the cars the parking

lot seeing my sister And, um, when I

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got in the car, though, I can't lie.

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Like on the ride back, I was

just feeling real queasy.

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I don't know if it was motion sickness

from not being in the car so long

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or what, but it was, it was crazy.

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I think I've heard that before.

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Motion sickness.

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Yeah.

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, so how did your brother in law like,

was he acting out like emotional

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too, or what was that about?

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Yeah, he was happy, happy

to see me come home.

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Did you, , eat at a restaurant

or did they cook for you?

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Um, we stopped and the first thing I

actually ate was like some pizza from

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a gas station, believe it or not.

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Gas station people like you always

eat the weirdest stuff when you

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come out, you never eat what you.

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I think you go to eat first.

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Oh, so you'd be planning that?

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What you gonna eat first

before you get out?

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Yeah, a lot of people do.

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They talk about what they're gonna eat

their first day out and all this stuff.

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I don't never go like that.

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Oh, okay.

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That's awesome.

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So, , what was that adjustment like?

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Um, I know that motion sickness,

did you get any other kind of

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queasy feeling like, what is this?

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, what were some of the things that was

new to you that , you weren't expecting?

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I want to say just, um, you know, the,

the feelings and all, uh, you know, the

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thoughts and everything that was running

through my head, like I say, it was,

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I hadn't been going that long before.

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So everything felt like surreal to me.

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It felt like, you know, like

I was in a dream state almost.

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And, um, yeah, it was just.

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There's so much going on in those

excitements, like some of everything,

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excitement, fear, fear, run through you.

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Um, you know, you hope all the dreams

you've been having, you know, all

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these things start colliding at

once and you know, it's real now and

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you know, anxiety, stress, whatever

it is, it's just like a whirlwind.

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Of different, you know,

emotions, good and bad.

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Many of us, we can only

just kind of imagine it.

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And if we've been around anybody

that's come out of prison, it can

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be different and , it's good

to see it through fresh eyes.

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It's like, oh, yeah, that is

kind of different, isn't it?

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Because we've gotten so accustomed to it.

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And now to hear someone

talk about what is that?

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It's , oh, that's this.

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And, yeah.

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So motion sickness.

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I've heard, , Where things like, , not

so much what people wearing, because I

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know you all can watch TV and stuff and

you keep, , abreast of the fashions

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and stuff, but, I know the cars change.

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And I know now is so with the, I don't

know if they had push buttons before, but

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it's a lot of more automated stuff going

on now, like AI, , That's interesting.

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Even for us still, , that's

getting used to it.

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So we can understand that.

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So what are, what are some of the

fears that , you, , experienced

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just knowing, you know, you, you're

getting out and you got all this

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freedom, you know, and it's all this

temptation is so much you can do.

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Um, and then the fact that, you know,

when you're trying to, you know,

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spiritually, mostly mentally and

physically, you know, and, um, and you

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don't want to like drinking drug no more.

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And, um, you're trying to build new

friends and because all the old friends

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are like, that's the stuff they into, you

know, they into the drugs and the drinking

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and the women, you know, when the.

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The file, you know, all the things

that you you've been thinking about

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getting away from all that time and,

um, you know, it's scary because you

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got to try to, you know, change the

people's faces and things in your

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life and get out your comfort zone.

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So I think for me, that was.

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That's the fear that, you know, that keeps

me on my toes right now, knowing that I

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got to make those, those type of change.

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I like how you put that, um, that fear

is good cause it keeps you, , alert,

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like you said, uh, on your toes

and understanding that it could,

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he could very well go that way.

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And what, what are some of the things

that you do to stay away from the friends?

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I just, um, Well, the first thing

I did was, you know, stop getting

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out and hopping straight on social

media and friending everybody I knew.

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So now I kind of just, I'm real

selective about who I have in my circle.

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So, you know, there, there are a few

that, you know, we have a deep tight

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bond and, you know, they may smoke,

drink a little, but you know, they,

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um, they not in the streets no more.

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They work and they marry.

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Um, stuff like that.

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So I, I try to lean more towards people

that's going to support me in this

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change and not going to pressure me

to, you know, do anything like that.

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People I know that got my back,

you know, even when I'm down

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and you know, the difference.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's not hard to tell the

difference between those.

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That's awesome.

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I didn't, I forgot about that.

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How a lot of, um, like, um, jump

on social media and like, cause

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they still like, you probably

still had your account too, right?

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Like from social media.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Okay, because I've seen accounts and

people like aren't they locked up

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and it'll come through your feet.

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So Okay, so I was wondering how so

many people how your friends so many

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of them would know quickly if unless

they're family Sometimes it's family.

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You can't be there.

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So it's not just Family friends word of

mouth, you know The whole combination.

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Wow.

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And , I understand why they

would miss you and stuff and want

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to say hi and all that stuff.

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And then, I don't know how

they would feel if, , you don't

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want to hang around anymore.

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, how would you handle that if

like, Hey, I want to hang out

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and you say, well, you know.

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I'm not sure.

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I don't think I can, because, you know,

you could just be in their car and stuff,

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and they have some something in there.

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And if they get stopped, that's

so easily to get caught up in.

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You can't even ride around with everybody.

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It's like everybody got concealed cameras

for guns now and all types of stuff.

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Yeah.

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Um, yeah, I had some crazy

happened to me already.

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And I was like, Lord, you know, like I

said, this one friend, he's not really.

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You know, he lives in Indiana.

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So that type of stuff is, you know,

he's illegal to sit the camera.

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I'm the felon, but I told him like,

Hey, I can't, I can't be around it.

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You know, yeah, that's interesting.

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I think about that when you're, when

you're legally caring, but now that's

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something to think about for people

who do have those licenses and being

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around friends and, you know, that may

come out and understanding that you

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cannot carry when you're around them.

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Okay.

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So that is hard to do.

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And you've already had

to have those talks.

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How so how did he receive that?

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he kept kept saying, um, he kept

putting it on himself saying, you

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know, I'm legit, I'm straight.

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I can tell I know that but

um, I can't be around it.

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So like, you could have told me before.

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I got to call you anything was going

on like, so that was that was kind

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of first test for me right there.

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See how it's going to react.

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So hopefully you got that resolved.

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So yeah, so if you're inside or right

now, you got to think about these

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sort of things in the conversations.

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How would you handle the conversation?

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Because you don't want to

alienate people, but you still

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have to make conscious decisions.

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So, , how has it been , for the job?

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I know you've been looking for a

job ? I'm still ain't working yet.

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Can't lie to you, but I mean,

I've been, I've been looking hard.

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I've been to the temp companies, you know,

filling out with them, talking to them.

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Um, I've been asking friends.

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I've been trying to get in

contact with employment agencies.

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So I've been I've been asking and

I've been looking but you know It's

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just one of those times where it

seemed like it's not gonna come as

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fast as I want it But I mean, I'm just

gonna stay patient and stay focused.

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I know something got it

to come eventually Mm hmm.

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Exactly patient and focus that is a great

thing to have and I was just thinking

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about cuz I actually Mentor with a program

here called partners and hope if you've

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been a part of my audience before you

know a lot about partners and hope and

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what they do is they do a large mentoring

program, as well as, you know, work with

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the community and making sure, people

that's coming out, get jobs and get paid.

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Connected to mentors and

get resources they need.

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I know that it can be

done over state lines.

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So I would definitely check in and out for

you because they have a lot of resources.

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So I will get back to you on that.

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So people understand if you need a

mentor, which everybody needs 1, I

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think, because everybody needs help.

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And everybody needs to be connected.

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So I'll get back to you with

that because cool, cool.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, the, these men will definitely

help you get adjusted and get you.

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Um, into some type of employment

and I love that you've went through

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temp agencies too because Some

people don't even think about they

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forget about the temp agencies.

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That's good.

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All right So what else

been going on for you there?

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Oh, nothing much.

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It's that i'm going to church with a

friend, you know trying to Establish

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that those habits right there.

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Um, you know, just I stand prayed up.

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Yeah, that positive.

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That's awesome.

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Let's do are really on top of it.

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Okay.

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You talked about not being

involved with, you know, just

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being careful about social media.

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You've started making contact with

some sort of types of employment,

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trying to get that together.

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And you.

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Trying to plug yourself into, I

believe, a support organization.

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A church is one of the best there.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So, okay.

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Did you stand up when they

say, are any visitors here?

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Uh, they, they actually ain't have

that, you know, um, it ain't like

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one of the, you know, the Baptist

churches and all that, but I think

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they did say something like that, but

this, uh, this church is kind of big.

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Oh, it's big.

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So it's probably you

can probably blend in.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I got it.

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So how was that to be in a formal

setting like that with all those people?

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Man, it felt it felt good.

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Like they was worshiping and singing

and I felt like it was a bunch of

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angels around me saying, man, it was

It was good to be in that atmosphere.

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You know what, with that positivity

and that love and that joy felt good.

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That's good.

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I like how you, you're feeding on

that, that positive energy because

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definitely needed as you work through

the obstacles of finding a job.

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And I love that you said just

being patient, cause it will come

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because it doesn't come as fast as

you, you want, but it will come.

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So , don't give up on that.

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So where else have you been?

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Have you been to any shopping centers

or any kind of other family functions?

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What do or do you still need to be

at home for a while and then make

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adjustments before you go out?

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. Well, I left the joint on GPS.

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That's the ankle monitor.

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So my time is limited.

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I'm out like nine and nine right now.

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But um, we've had a

couple of family events.

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When I first came home, um, my sister

invited everybody to a hall and we

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had drinks, food, playing cards.

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Well, I didn't have drinks, but

you know, they had some, um,

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um, no playing cards and just

chopped it up and stuff like that.

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Um, but.

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I haven't really been, you know,

doing, not doing too much, you know,

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but, um, basically in the house, I

moved to a new area, so I don't know

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nobody, know nobody out this way.

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So I pretty much spend a lot

of time by myself, you know,

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if I'm not, um, with my friend.

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Okay.

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That's awesome.

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Again, thank you for being on the show.

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Cause , many men or, , women eat as well.

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When they first come out, they

don't want to talk about anything.

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They don't want to come on the show.

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And I'm just like, wow, you Come on.

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Like you are just kicking.

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Actually, but you just, I know

you're going to make it because

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there's so many things I've been

seeing that you've been doing.

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Like for instance, you are in

the process of writing a book.

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Could you tell us about that?

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Yes, I am.

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I'm writing a book, as you know,

called, um, spirit lab, man.

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Um, I'm working on finishing

out the third chapter.

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It's probably not going to be

too long of a book, but, um,

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I think it's gonna be good.

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Just some of my insights on How I've

helped myself develop spiritually

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and mentally, you know, some of the

things I've learned to read and I'm

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just trying to share that experience

with people and in the best form I

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can, you know, my act of service.

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So that's what I'm doing.

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I'm excited about it too.

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You should be.

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I gotta get it done.

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I gotta get it done.

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That is, that is awesome.

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So, Okay, thinking about your spirit,

man, as someone, I would believe part

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of your audience would be someone that's

been incarcerated before and coming

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out and how to, to regroup and stuff.

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So what would be some of the

main things you would want

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them to get from your book?

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Like what you've getting out of being

spirit land I just want people to

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understand that you know Imitating the

life of Christ, you know Christian values,

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you know the things he went through We

all go through in some some shape or form

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maybe not on the mass level he had to

do it but No, we all struggle with, you

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know, family members not having faith

in you, you know, being persecuted, even

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when you ain't doing that wrong, you

know, when you're trying to do your best.

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I just want people to be able

to get some sound principles and

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understand, , these hardships and be

able to build some positive energies

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to overcome, , the negative forces when

they come, cause they, they do come.

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I've felt them already, but, Like

I said, I'm just trying to stay

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prayed up and, you know, stay in,

stay centered and stay in that zone.

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And, keep praying to God and asking

Jesus to, , help clear that up for me.

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Mm hmm.

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Because I like that because , that's

really pertinent because what you

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said that maybe you have some people

that may not have as much faith in

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you and how do you overcome that?

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I think that's a big one,

for people coming out.

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In reconciling those relationships

you said you've written a few

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chapters and are you liking what

is shaping out to be and how it's,

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Going to help men coming out.

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And I believe it's going to

help men that's already out.

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Is it, it's just for men, right?

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Is it just for men or

is it for women as well?

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I mean, if you, you know, a Christian

and you studied the Bible, I think

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you're going to like, you know, because

I use a lot of scriptural references

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to, um, kind of, Bring out my points

and make, make certain connections.

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Um, so I, I think anybody that, that's

a avid reader of the Bible, you know, a

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student of the Bible, they're going to be

able to make those connections instantly,

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, and it's going to be men and women.

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, I think if you pick it up to read it,

it's going to have some interest for you.

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Hmm.

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That's good.

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All right.

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So I really like it.

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, it's not just my opinion, but.

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It's so many people that label themselves

as Christians, but in theory, but don't

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know how to do it in practice so Breaking

it down and giving them those Practical

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steps and how it looks I think it's gonna

be really effective especially coming

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from a person who's living it and not

just in Bible theory and Um, and it has

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practices as well, because, you know, if

you read scripture, it has, , accounts

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of people, what they had to go through,

but now with you bringing it in in modern

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day things, what they will see, I believe

is going to help them get through it.

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, I look at it as a better translation.

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Yeah, that's a more modern understanding.

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Mm hmm.

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Mm hmm.

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That's good.

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So when do you, I know we're, we're

working together on that and I know we're

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going to have a first manual, a first

draft done by the first of the year.

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So I'm hoping you're done

by within a year and.

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And I would want you back on the show once

it's published and just,, encouraging

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people, , to see what you've done.

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Cause you're coming fresh out.

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We have people that want to

write books and they've been,

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they have never been in prison.

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They have.

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, these obstacles they have, and you

know, everybody have them, but, and

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I want you to, you know, actually

document all that because this

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is awesome what you're doing.

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So the nation is real.

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Okay.

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Did you tell your, your

family that you're writing?

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What are, what are they

thinking about that?

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I told my mom, my friend

about, about the boat.

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I don't know if I ever

told too many people.

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: 00:23:05

It's just something I really

just keep mainly to myself.

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And just trying to focus like that.

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that's a good thing too, and keeping

focused, that means like, just you

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know, keeping your eye on the prize,

so to speak, getting it done, and

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you say, they'll find out once it's

done, and they can just buy your book,

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and support, and just hear about.

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What to do.

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So, okay.

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One thing I want to ask

is the spirit led book.

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Are you actually putting

current events in as well?

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Like as you walk through

this process of re entering

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society and doing it like that?

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Yeah, I'm using my own, um, you know,

I, I teach and through my experiences,

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you know, with, with emotions.

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So I'm using a lot of I'm using some

of my own experiences, some of the

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times I felt like, you know, Jesus and

God was working through me for the,

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for the betterment of somebody else.

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And I'm using, you know, the examples

of the life of Christ and, you know,

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other, um, people in the Bible, you know,

that stories relate to the particular

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subject I'm discussing at the time.

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So it's a, it's a mixture.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Cause I think it'll be really quite

interesting too to, To relate the

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experience of you first coming out and how

do you be spirit led through this process?

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Yes.

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What's going on?

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Now, , how can we do the same thing, what

you're going through and be spirit led?

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Because it can be scary.

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: 00:24:43

Yeah, I think, um, the best advice I

can give anybody on that subject is to,

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um, try to be as honest with yourself

about who you are, your strengths and

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your weaknesses, and kind of tailor your

practices towards, you know, because

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we, we, even though we all create

equal, um, We all express to me, um,

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an aspect of God in a different way.

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So for me, you know, I'm, I'm more into

meditative practices and, you know, and,

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um, you know, I try to do like stretches

and yogas and, you know, things like that,

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mantras and prayers, you know, I like

have a combination of things throughout

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my studies that , puts me more in tune,

trying to tap into the spirit In the best

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way that fits you, you know, knowing that,

you know, I, like I said, I come from a

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Christian background, a Bible background.

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So, you know, I'm rooted.

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And it teaches the Christ and being his

disciple, you know, and I just use any

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tool put at my disposal to make that

walk more better and more real, you know,

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and be able to connect as quick as I

can to God, you know, for me, that that

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looks different than most Christians,

even though I won't neglect trying to

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go to church, but, , I may meditate.

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I may, you know, just spend time in quiet

trying to hear his voice in the silence,

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That's a different because you got so many

people that cannot sit still in silence.

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And you can't hear his voice

with all the noise in the chat

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: 00:26:16

or you got to clear it out.

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You have to, or you ain't going to

hear nothing but your own thoughts

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and them, them nasty thoughts.

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Cause you know, the way people

think in the world now is polluted.

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It's like a, a sewer, you know,

and these are our spiritual things.

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You know, that's what Paul always say.

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You know, we don't fight flesh and blood.

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We fight spiritual things.

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And to me, thoughts are, that's

a whole higher realm, you know,

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that's a, a spiritual realm.

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So you got to try to just be

still and quiet your mind and,

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and just try to listen to that.

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That inner voice that that divine

goddess, you know, yeah, I think that's

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when You're gathering that strength and

you're taking the time to stop everything

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else and, , just sit and listen.

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That is huge.

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And it make it's making

more and more sense.

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Why you're having such big strides

that I see that you're doing.

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: 00:27:16

You've made so many good points.

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: 00:27:18

You talked about plugging

into a good church.

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: 00:27:21

Staying focused, not jumping on social

media, having conversations that talk

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: 00:27:28

about why you can't do certain things

with people and getting them to understand

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that you can't be around those things

that they think is normal and it's.

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Awesome.

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: 00:27:40

I, I see so much what you're

going to be doing in this book.

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I believe it's going to be really,

really good because it's all, it's fresh.

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It's really fresh.

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: 00:27:50

And when you were, I know you

were thinking about this when you

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were locked up and everything.

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just give us a brief story of like

when you started thinking about, cool.

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Okay.

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I know better.

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That's not who I am.

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: 00:28:07

, I have this connection, but I fell off

. And then , it's a fast pace at that time.

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It's dominoes at that point.

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: 00:28:13

So when , did you start thinking

about, okay, I need to sit back now?

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I know that's not me.

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What, what, what were you thinking for me?

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It was, okay.

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: 00:28:22

From the day I got locked up, like,

you know, to me, my life was just

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: 00:28:26

spiraling out of control again.

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: 00:28:29

And, um, you know, from the moment I got

locked up, like, I knew, like, something

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was going to be different this time.

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Because, you know, like I say,

I try to learn from my, um,

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from my experience, you know.

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And I had made great strides,

but that was just the beginning.

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: 00:28:47

Some weaknesses that you just, you know,

you can't see until you trying to do

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: 00:28:51

better, you know, so I tell a lot of,

a lot of people like when you, when you

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: 00:28:54

trying to live a new life or do something,

you know, you, you, you fall down.

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It's like trying to learn how to walk.

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: 00:29:00

So I have been making these strides,

um, for years and kept falling down,

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: 00:29:05

but I, you know, I get back up and,

um, from the day I got locked up, I

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just started working again and started,

you know, getting my life back.

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And, you know, God gave me some more

tools, some more skills to be able to,

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um, withstand what I had coming next.

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: 00:29:22

You know, and it all just come

through our trials and tribulations.

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: 00:29:26

You know, I don't believe in failure.

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So I believe that he's the

things that make us to, you

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: 00:29:31

know, the good and the bad.

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: 00:29:32

So I just embrace Everything

about life and everything.

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: 00:29:39

Okay.

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: 00:29:40

I like that.

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: 00:29:41

I can't remember the saying.

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: 00:29:42

I just saw it says files are just

Opportunities to succeed or something like

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: 00:29:49

the tools you need to succeed Exactly.

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: 00:29:52

Yeah, so it's the way you think about

it and I like that you Thought about

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: 00:29:57

it positively that way because you can

also think about it the other way and

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: 00:30:03

go the other way And go the wrong way.

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: 00:30:07

So it's just all in how you look at

Um this and if you look at it as an

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: 00:30:12

opportunity Then you're you're going

in the right direction and you're

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: 00:30:15

going to be I believe stronger because

you're going to have You have more

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: 00:30:20

you're going to have more evidence.

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: 00:30:22

You're gonna like I like how you say

you the tools He was giving you tools

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: 00:30:26

You , so now you know what it was and

now you can speak to it and because these

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: 00:30:33

tools other people can use, especially

when they're, they're in those positions.

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: 00:30:38

So, um, I know you believe in the enemy,

what are some of the things you think

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: 00:30:42

about him, about what he's trying to

do, , especially in your own life.

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: 00:30:49

You know, he works, he works

through the, call him the spirit of

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: 00:30:53

his age or the spirit of the air.

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: 00:30:55

You know, he, he's in all the frequencies,

the TVs, the movies, you know, he, you

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: 00:31:00

know, Hollywood is the heart center of

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: 00:31:04

America, like the soul center of

all the ideas and you know, the,

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: 00:31:08

the creative, creative things come

from, and you know, it's so corrupt.

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: 00:31:11

So, you know, he, likes to work through

subtle things, you know, images and

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: 00:31:17

Music, you know, in media, you know, and

he works through some of these leaders.

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: 00:31:21

I mean, you see what's going

on out here in the world.

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: 00:31:25

People are godless right now, you

know, so it's an indication of the

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: 00:31:32

time we're living in and who Who

trying to get some power, right?

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: 00:31:39

Right.

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: 00:31:40

I think your book is on time.

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: 00:31:42

And I'm hoping you touching on that

them images and media and those

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: 00:31:48

other those influences that People

will look to and not understanding

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: 00:31:53

that they're being influenced.

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: 00:31:56

Yeah.

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: 00:31:57

So, okay.

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: 00:31:58

, that's it.

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: 00:31:59

What I have for you today.

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: 00:32:00

I wanted to just, , quickly, , introduce

you to the audience and make sure

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: 00:32:05

that they remember who you are

because you're coming back with your

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: 00:32:08

book and tell us more about that.

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: 00:32:13

So, , is there any thing you want

to say to someone that's coming out

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: 00:32:17

or someone that's out or, , just

to give them more information on.

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: 00:32:23

Life and just how this works for you

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: 00:32:26

anything like that?

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: 00:32:27

You want to say?

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: 00:32:28

Yeah, just if you know, if you know

anybody, just get out, just kind

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: 00:32:33

words, you know, words of encouragement

are always going to be the best.

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: 00:32:36

And you know, if you coming out.

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: 00:32:39

I know we hear this, this cliche all

the time, people, places, and things,

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: 00:32:42

but those are gonna be the three keys

to change, you know, the people you

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: 00:32:48

hang with, you know, the places you

frequent, and the things you do, you

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: 00:32:51

know, and if you can, um, find a way

to find your patterns in life, like

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: 00:32:57

those things you repeat, those places

you go, and those things you do that

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: 00:33:01

you've been doing over and over, you

can break those habits, then you can,

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: 00:33:04

you can definitely break the cycle.

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: 00:33:07

You know, that's the best bet I

can give to anybody and try to

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: 00:33:10

find you a, you know, a good church

home and read your Bible, anything

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: 00:33:15

positive you can get your hands on.

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: 00:33:18

Right.

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: 00:33:19

And they're going to get to need

to get their hands on your book

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: 00:33:22

as well once you get that out.

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: 00:33:24

So I like that you talked about,

I will, I will call them nouns,

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: 00:33:29

people, places, and things.

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: 00:33:30

Remember your nouns.

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: 00:33:32

Okay.

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: 00:33:33

I like that.

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: 00:33:34

And that's easy to remember.

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: 00:33:36

So I thank you for making it simple,

because it is simple, but it's

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: 00:33:41

not necessarily easy, but you can

find that help to get through it.

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: 00:33:44

So everyone, I just wanted

to thank you for listening.

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: 00:33:49

Thank you Jarvis for coming on the show.

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: 00:33:51

Thanks for having me.

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: 00:33:52

It was a pleasure.

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: 00:33:54

So everyone, thank you again

for listening and may you have

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: 00:33:58

a week filled with blessings.

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: 00:34:02

Well, that's it.

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: 00:34:03

And thank you for listening and

have a week filled with blessings.